On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Sun, 2013-05-05 at 14:07 -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: > > Hi, > > > > In the latest Fedora 19 Beta TC2 install after I got through > > the > > initial steps of the install I started to setup my root > > password. > > > > To my surprise my password was shown in plain text instead of > > bullets. > > > > > > The obvious workaround is to use a temporary password during > > installation and on the first boot use passwd to change it (still > > leaves a small time window of vulnerability though). It is similar to > > removing pulseaudio upon installation to get the sound working. > > Surprisingly, Fedora keeps adding these "hidden" steps to complete a > > sane installation, yet adding a step to educate users about DE choices > > is still a taboo. > > Whether you think the change was a good change or not, it is out of line > to suggest that the idea was somehow "adding these "hidden" steps to > complete a sane installation". The idea was to improve the usability of > the password entry dialog, on the understanding that the practical > security impact was minimal. Now we can argue with that assessment, and > that's what we're doing, but it would be really nice if people would > assume *good* faith on the part of other members of the project, not > *bad* faith. The anaconda team are working hard to make things better, > not worse, just like the rest of us. > Sorry, I did not try to imply "*bad* faith" on any members of the project. I try to look at it as posing challenges to filter out the weak and let the fittest survive, which, I think, can be explained by "*good* faith". I admire certain developers' imagination. Going off-topic: > > It is ridiculous to suggest that "removing pulseaudio upon installation > to get the sound working" is some kind of ""hidden" steps to complete a > sane installation". In addition to all the objections above, it is > factually incorrect: in the vast majority of installations, sound works > better with PulseAudio than without it. > Well, unfortunately it did not work on a fresh F18 installation on a rare hardware (onboard Intel HD Audio) a couple of weeks back. I really did not want to spend time to figure out what was wrong. Just guess what I did to fix it (and it worked rightaway) ... > Look, please, by all means, calmly discuss the merits of the decision. > Just don't bring into question the motivations of its introduction > unless you have a damn strong factual basis for doing so. I believe I do have a damn strong factual basis on everything I claimed. Sorry if I could not manage to convince. Best, Orcan -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
