On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 01:31:30AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On 19/03/13 01:04 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: > >On 03/19/2013 02:11 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > >>Well, look, my point is that sometimes our commitment to 'fixing things > >>the right way' appears to verge on bloody masochism. > >> > ><snip> > >>If we have to compromise on just papering it over for Alpha, I mean, > >>_fine_. But seriously: sometimes papering it over is just the right > >>thing to do. > > > >I disagree. This particular problem points out a problem that is only > >going to become more of a problem as the internationalization of > >software increases. Not everything is ASCII or English, and not > >defensively programming for such cases is short-sighted. > > > >Perhaps we are getting "burned out" by the hectic pace that Fedora tries > >to keep with a six-month release cycle. I know I sat out a lot of the > >18 cycle due to a sense of being overwhelmed by the rush. > > I don't object at all to fixing UTF-8 issues, but it seems > needlessly stressful to force ourselves to do so as a part of > release validation, with booby traps exploding all around us. It's > the kind of thing that can easily be worked on in a less stressful > manner. Instead of using the development method 'let's break it now > in our main product and fix stuff as we happen across it', how about > the development method 'let's not break our main product for now, > let's let people who want to hack on it do so as a side stream, and > then when they think they have fixed the most important issues, > _then_ they can propose putting the disruptive change into the main > product'. An interesting question is: Why don't we try out the new release name early on in Rawhide. ie. we would change the release name now to whatever F20 is going to be + " (Rawhide)". Wouldn't that give us a lot more time to test and fix? Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com Fedora now supports 80 OCaml packages (the OPEN alternative to F#) -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
