Just a quick note to say 'thanks' to everyone who has contributed to the testing of FC3 and contributed to great ideas for releases moving forward. Like a lot of others, I've aired my share of complaints (though I don't think I've been *too* ornery), but overall I'm almost happy enough with even the current FC3T3+updates to upgrade my main desktop to it. Almost -- I'm not crazy enough to actually do it. With my luck, a deep, lurking ext3/selinux related filesystem corruption problem will rear its ugly head *just* after I do the upgrade. If there is a problem like that, I just hope it's found and squashed before release. I'm *really* looking forward to seeing how the scaled back selinux policy helps to get it deployed far and wide. I haven't read through the whole paper yet, but "The Inevitability of Failure: The Flawed Assumption of Security in Modern Computing Environments" (http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/papers/inevit-abs.cfm) co-authored by Stephen Smalley and others at the NSA had me nodding my head in violent agreement through the first few sections. The IT world *needs* *something* at the OS level to improve security, and I'm anxious to see how Fedora Core 3 users react to selinux as a possible answer to some security problems. I'd love to hear stories of thwarted attacks thanks to selinux. Or even where it failed needs improvement -- but let's hope for not-so-serious problems. And there are most definitely some improvements in Gnome 2.8 that make me think that maybe, just maybe we've finally caught up, or at least almost caught up to the to the Windows/MAC world in the area of usability. (I'm primarily talking about areas we've *needed* to catch up, of course. There are definitely some gross things we need to leave behind.) So great job, everybody, and I'll race you all to be the first to install FC3 when it's released. Doubt I'll win, though, with all you folks at universities with uber-fast connections. -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets