tir, 12.10.2004 kl. 14.35 skrev Lars E. Pettersson: > On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 14:40, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > > On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 13:19 +0200, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > > > On 10/10/2004 03:35 AM, Ricardo Veguilla wrote: > ... > > I read the thread. Are you reading my questions? I didn't ask anyone > > "Why should Firefox be the default?", I use firefox regularly, I know > > how good it is, and I know why it will be convenient to used it as > > default browser. > > Why not use it as default for Fedora then? > > > But what I asked was "Whats wrong with epiphany?" and when you extended > > the dicussion to "Why not *insert my favorite browser here*?" you > > changed the discussion. > > No, no change in the discussion, I just wanted you to open your eyes for > the alternatives a bit. When deciding a default for a distribution, you > have to go through *all* alternatives, not just one, or a very selected > few. > > > > First, I think the "tightly integrated to Gnome" is irrelevant as Fedora > > > is not a Gnome only distribution. > > > > Well if Fedora includes Gnome and Gnome is designed to be tightly > > integrating, then it is relevant to Fedora. The same thing happens with > > KDE. If KDE is designed to be flexible and customizable, then Fedora > > shouldn't break that user experienced. > > But it is breaking the user experience for Kde users by having a tightly > integrated (in Gnome) Gnome application as a systems default. I do not > think that the Kde users appreciate this. > > Perhaps a systems default is a bad choice, perhaps we should have one > default for Gnome, one for Kde, one for xfce, and so on. > > > I disagree again, popularity is important for deciding what to include, > > but its meaningless for the "default application" issue. Defaults are > > for newbies. An experienced user will use his preferred application, no > > matter what the default is. > > > > An new user shouldn't need help using the browser... thats the whole > > point of using epiphany (or any simple browser). > > The majority of new users come from the Windows world. These are used to > certain level of functionality in browsers (and other applications as > well), why give these an application that have less function than the > browsers they are used to? > > The number of total computer newbies that never have sat behind/in-front > of a computer, and start using Linux, is very low. The vast majority > have experience from Microsoft Windows. That is the reality, at least > from where I come. > > So the default should reflect what most people use, and want to use. > > On what grounds was Epiphany selected as Gnome default, and on what > grounds has it been selected as Fedora systems default? > But that does not mean that we should make fedora a "copy" of Windows - simply because if we do that, we will always play catch-up. Apple has understood this - and has made a system that is quite different from anything else. And people love it, say it is the most user-friendly system ever saw (i dissagree - i have pretty much experience from both Linux and Windows, but in order to get anything done on a mac, i have to have the owner open me a terminal... Lets make fedora different from windows - still easy, but different. Ship a easy to find newbee-guide on the def. desktop etc, some links to usefull sites (fedorafaq, release-notes etc), and PLEASE put something more usefull than release-notes in the goddamn default startpage... > Lars > -- > Lars E. Pettersson <lars@xxxxxxxx> > http://www.sm6rpz.se/
