On Mar 11, 2013, at 2:20 PM, seth vidal <skvidal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:07:32 +0100 > Lennart Poettering <mzerqung@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> Entering the boot loader is something that is a debugging feature, a >> tool for professionals. > > I'm mostly concerned with making new professionals. > > We have to make the secret information discoverable if we want people > to poke and prod around. Right, because had booting simply worked, instead of a** r8H#@Ig me every 10 minutes, I'd never have become curious about it. > > If the bioses and systems years ago had been opaque we wouldn't have > gotten this far. Please elaborate on this, and define "this far". Apple has had fairly opaque booting for ~28 years, so I'm curious how much farther they need to go. Chris Murphy -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel