This is probably an upstream problem, but I'm just putting my feelers out to see if I'm missing something, or thunderbird is missing something I consider absolutely essential. And that's what my subject states. Thunderbird (and Mozilla-Mail, for that matter) doesn't seem to support STARTTLS for IMAP. No, I'm not talking about IMAPS (port 993), but honest to goodness STARTTLS over port 143 like it should. So is it me, or is thunderbird really lacking in this area? -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets