Just for interest, here's the current (and likely final) state of minimal install package set for f18 vs. f17. diff: http://paste.stg.fedoraproject.org/2613 - that's f17 DVD minimal install vs. f18 final tc3 DVD minimal install. most of the additions track back to NetworkManager, systemd, or firewalld, but those have been pared down fairly well (could probably be improved a little more with some work). The addition of man-db and openssh-clients adds a few other things, but those are probably good choices. 'make' came in via openssl - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=783446 . procps-ng replaces procps, and udev / libudev are now in systemd / systemd-libs. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel