On 12/09/2012 03:32 PM, Michael Scherer wrote: <snip> > Having one repo and refusing commercial software are 2 different issues. Really, they're not though. The problem is that stuff is shipped in-distro and builds deps on core packages, and those packages are revved in a symbiotic relationship with the things that need them. The two are joined at the hip in a way that third party stuff is not. If there were a forced separation between the core OS and the stuff that is installed upon it, it would benefit everything that uses the core in equal measure, not just those things shipped in the core distro today. <snip> > And the same goes for having a stable platform, you have to make sure > that the platform is well defined, so people do not start to use > something outside of the platform ( or it will not work ). In fact, > that's what the LSB attempted to do, yet no one ask for it in this > thread. So maybe people who want a stable platform should investigate > what is the status of the LSB support in Fedora, what are the needs of > the ISVs, and find a plan to make them supported. I'd love LSB to matter more. But I didn't raise that can of worms intentionally :) To drill down to a single point though, as I said above, I don't want the distro to ship every piece of software I might use. Today, there is too much of a focus on doing it that way where I think there would be more value (to those who use third party software or who are pondering downstream consumers of Fedora also) in having a smaller core and treating everything that comes on top equally. Jon. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel