Hello, On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Olaf Kirch <okir@xxxxxxx> wrote: > While I my original motivation in working on this is from a SUSE perspective, > I believe other Linux distributions can benefit from this as well, and I'd > be happy to work on this cross-distribution. > > Your feedback is very much welcome! It would be great to have feedback from people actually currently working in related areas; I can offer primarily the general distribution perspective: The move to NetworkManager took many years, still isn't complete (NetworkManager still isn't a full-featured replacement of the Fedora initscripts) and the impact on users has been rather painful: * API users: Programs had to be modified to work with both systems * Command-line interface and configuration files have changed (the most common use cases were covered, but there are differences) * As a sub-case, once users are told they have to switch to the "old system" to get their features working, they will be reluctant to try the "new system" again soon. * GUI has been broken by NM API changes at least once, and can not rely on NM presence * Documentation has had to cover both solutions. Considering that it's not reasonable to expect that the replacement will cover 100% of the previous functionality, the "old" and "new" projects will have to live side by side again for some time. So a switch to a different system needs to provide benefits that exceed the quite large costs of the migration. Therefore, in general, I'd assume that modifying NetworkManager (in a backward-compatible way) is probably an easier way to add features than replacing the whole subsystem with something else. Now, with my once-upon-a-time sysadmin and initscripts comaintainer hat on: Yes, it is possible to design a better configuration format than the ifcfg files, but I'm not sure that this is a really pressing problem: the primary problem with networking is understanding the concepts and designing the desired state, not the configuration format - once you know what you want to do, you can always find the HOPELESSLY_UNINTUITIVE_OPTION_NAME (or even nicely-scoped/well-designed-option-name-that-you-need-to-write-precisely-correctly-to-the-letter) in documentation. In addition to a different configuration format, having new features could be more attractive (e.g. the ability to replace a bonding slave without restarting the whole interface, or 802.1x support) - but because any of the implementations already cover the basic functionality reasonably well, the new attractive features would necessarily be something of a niche / not-that-frequently-used features. So, again, it seems reasonable to assume that the new features might not be attractive enough to trump the costs of the migration. Mirek -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel