Peter Jones wrote: > But I also think it's important for our distro to work out of the box on > new computers without having to do that. If we don't have that, people > will simply walk away. And I don't think having to disable "Secure" Boot in the firmware is a hurdle which will make our users "simply walk away". I didn't "simply walk away" either back in the day where RHL wouldn't boot without disabling the "Plug and Play operating system" option in the BIOS. I found it perfectly normal that the firmware settings need to be adjusted based on the operating system(s) one wants to use. (Window$ worked just fine with the changed option, just as it reportedly will with "Secure" Boot disabled, see Matthew Garrett's posts about that subject.) >> In that case, your plan relying on M$'s key might not be of any more help >> for Apple machines than mine. > > Yes, that was my point. Then why did you bring up Apple machines in the first place? They'll be screwed exactly the same way in both plans, so how are they relevant to the discussion at hand? Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel