On Mon, 14.05.12 14:45, Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh@xxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > * #851 F18 Feature: procps-ng (next generation procps tools) - > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/procps-ng (sgallagh, > 18:11:34) > * AGREED: Feature procps-ng is accepted (9 +1) (sgallagh, 18:14:47) Ahem. I think is is a really bad idea. "-ng" packages point to a huge failure in the handling of the packages in question, and should not be deemed a feature for Linux but a failure of Linux Karel Zak has made clear that he is happy to merge procps into util-linux (Karel is both upstream and downstream for u-l), and has offered to do the work. util-linux is the much better place for these utilities, so that common code, the development infrastructure, the build system, the documentation scheme, the release cycle and the maintainership can be shared. There's really no point in all the bureaucracy for such a transition if it just replaces one bad situation with another bad situation. If you do a transition then do it right and merge procps into util-linux. We really don't need two packages with such overlapping functionality. Both of them had long phases in their history where they were slowly rotting along. The best way to fight that is having a single package from it so that this easier kept an eye on. They do very similar stuff, they need the same expertise from the hackers and maintainers and they should justbe one. Really, nobody needs transitions, renames and multiple independent repos for stuff that is very very similar in purpose and behaviour. I'd really like to see FESCO strongly ask the people behind procps-ng to help working in the integration of its tools into util-linux, to make the basic set of tools more nicely integrated rather than continue to grow apart! There's really no point in just rubberstamping everything people suggest. FESCO should push people in the right direction, and push them towards collaboration. FESCO, please steer fedora (and Linux) in the right direction here, that's your job! Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
