On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Thu, 2012-04-12 at 08:02 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Mark Haney <markh@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > On 04/11/2012 10:34 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> You can still login at this prompt with your 'root' account and >> >> password. From that point, you can look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see >> >> what happened that caused your X Window System to fail. If you want >> >> to post that for people here to look at and offer advice, please >> >> *don't* attach the file to your email. It will probably be too big >> >> and your message won't come through. Instead, post it somewhere like >> >> http://fpaste.org and send a link to your paste here. >> >> >> > >> > >> > That's true it is a fairly generic question, however, the OP did state he'd >> > tried to login with root and failed. Sounds to me like X wasn't the only >> > thing that is having issues. >> > >> > Although it could be the password he used. I noticed one time that the >> > password I was using simply wouldn't work on the initial install of Fedora >> > no matter how many times I installed it. It did work however after changing >> > it once I got it installed. >> >> Maybe keyboard definition issues? >> >> My hardware tends to be Japanese, and sometimes the difference in key >> positions has left me with a root password set assuming US English >> layout. Some of the punctuation keys move when the full system boots >> and the keyboard definition is correctly set. If I work out what moved >> where, I can log in. >> >> But sometimes it's easier to just boot single user and set the >> password again. (Don't have all the layouts memorized.) >> >> Lately, I am beginning to doubt the wisdom of always hiding the >> password when you're setting it, especially now that proper passwords >> are generally understood to be long and convoluted. It would sometimes >> be nice to have a "Debug keyboard" or "I've checked, nobody's looking >> over my shoulder, and I need to see what I'm typing." button. >> >> Setting up a new system is, statistically speaking, sometimes going to >> require some debugging until we can put the WINTEL-pseudo-standard >> infected hardware behind us. (And I don't even see Apple trying to do >> that, now.) >> >> Of course, you can always try the keys that might have moved -- >> ()[]{}"'=;:+*-_\| and so forth -- where you'd type a user name. You >> often have to think in reverse, of course, as in, "I thought I was >> typing left-bracket, what would that have been?" > > Note that we actually have a test case which is run during validation > testing and is intended to ensure that the same keyboard layout is used > for setting passwords during installation and entering them > post-install, because we had a lot of this kind of trouble back before > we did that. To my knowledge we haven't had a major bug of this type > since F15 or so. Well, maybe that doesn't get applied to some of the spins? I'm pretty sure I ended up with keys moving on a password on a live USB of the F16 security spin. If I notice it again and have time, maybe I should file a bug? -- Joel Rees -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
