On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Peter Jones <pjones@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 04/03/2012 04:03 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >> On 04/03/2012 03:10 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: >>> >>> Let's make the list exhaustive; there needs to be a path to sure >>> success. This means establishing a complete procedure where when >>> an SA formally applies to become PA, acceptance means there is a >>> definitive set of steps needed to get there. This is one of the >>> major reasons for developing these criteria. Put another way: >>> >>> FESCo and affected groups should have the ability to review whether >>> or not the SA has in-fact fulfilled the requirements for PA, as >>> agreed to by all parties at the time of application. If those >>> requirements are deemed to have been met, promotion is automatic. >>> >>> There could be a deadline on application acceptance: EG, 12 months >>> from acceptance of application to fulfillment of criteria. This >>> protects against criteria becoming stale. >> >> This sound like the most reasonable approach. > > I actually have a pretty strong disagreement here. If we need sunset clauses, > it means that there's really not enough interaction. > > Look at it this way - if an arch is following the process to become primary, > but during that process actually becomes *less* viable, or for whatever > reason farther from being reasonable as a PA, the process needs to be > such that that's something people see and discuss. If it doesn't come up, > it's because it's completely fallen off the deep end. > > So I'd much rather just say that an arch that's attempting to transition > from secondary to primary needs to regularly keep FESCo and f-d-l informed > as to the status than have something like formal sunsetting. If they don't > keep us up to date, they have de facto stopped trying. I agree, anything that is going to take that length of time is still really a secondary arch. Ultimately with a set of reasonably defined criteria the request shouldn't really be made until the architecture in question is fairly confident that they meet the criteria and then there should be a relatively quick move one way or the other. Obviously there's going to be some time regarding things like infra/rel-eng etc eg for HW procurement if necessary but the overall process side of it should be active. Peter -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
