Fedora-17-Beta-x86_64-Live-Desktop.iso http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FirewallD suggests I should have firewall-config. "The configuration tool firewall-config is the main configuration tool for the firewall daemon." But I'm not finding firewall-config. So unlike with iptables, where I had a GUI Firewall app, now I no longer have an easy or obvious way of altering the default behavior and I'm in effect stuck without ssh. Seems the missing firewall-config is probably an oversight, and it needs to be included on LiveCD installs, and default DVD installs as well. Chris Murphy -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel