Le mardi 22 novembre 2011 à 13:20 -0500, Aleksandar Kurtakov a écrit : > As much as we have disagreed on the previous topic we might have similar thoughts here :). > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" <johannbg@xxxxxxxxx> > > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 7:51:31 PM > > Subject: Dropping the ownership model > > > > What do people see as pros and cons continuing to use the current > > package ownership model? > > > > Would it be practical to dropping it altogether which in essence > > would > > make every contributor an "proven packager"? > > Well, everyone becoming a proven packager is going too far from the beginning. > Though I have to say that this approach worked quite good in Mandriva in the past. > I still remember misc telling me "please don't break too much" . For the few years I maintained packages there > I haven't seen a single case of someone abusing his powers. Things may have changed a little nowadays :) Mandriva, who use a system similar to what was proposed by Johann, face some issues ( lots of package not officially maintained, so the and that caused some problem ), and recently faced some friction with some contributors. On the other hand, this helped a lot to be able to maintain the distribution with a rather lower number of people. It should be kept in mind that security support on stable is done by a dedicated (often overworked) team, for a supported subset of rpm only, and done by community for the rest ( and that was rather messy ). For Mageia, we ( or at least I ) try to see if a mix between the two could be used : - all packages ( modulo some exceptions ) can be modified by anybody in the proper group ( packager ). People need to be trained before pushing packages. - at least 1 person should responsible of each package ( ie, get bug report, do security update, has the last word in case of issue with others packagers, unless conflict is escalated to $governance_bodies ). But due to various organisational issue ( like having created packages before having a working packager database ), there is still lots of unowned packages. - changes to a package are notified to the maintainer ( and others ). ( not done currently, but on the TODO list since a long time ). Inspired by the kde svn notification system. And we have a rather conservative approach regarding version upgrade, especially during freeze and on stable releases, so the problem of "someone upgraded libfoo and broke some stuff" is lower ( not inexistant but at least, it only touch the devel version, which is less risky than rawhide according to most people, and so more used ). I have also noted people do not like the idea of dropping unmaintained packages, but such is human nature. Some of Mageia packagers have asked for group maintainership, similar to the SIG-maintainer proposal, but for the same reason highlighted in the thread, i fear this would dilute responsibility. Something worth keeping in mind is to separate the actual commit/submit rights from any type of notification. IE, I am quite sure that some people would be happy to get notification of bugs and changes on some packages, without being co-maintainer. This would permit to find co-maintainers more easily IMHO, and surely foster cooperation between various distributions and with upstream. This would also help by engaging testers, etc. -- Michael Scherer -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
