On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 11:01 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 11/09/2011 05:49 AM, Ian Kent wrote: > >> What other form of encouragement can you suggest? > > This email thread for a start. > > We have had email threads like this for two release cycles now and yet > the main problem still remains the same packagers/maintainers not either > migrating themselves or they not packaging submitted unit files... Thanks for the information on unit files and your efforts to help out, it is much appreciated. Maybe I'm reading too much into the documentation I read. For example, in automount, I don't do a double fork to disassociate from the tty and haven't used that technique for many years. But I also don't have problems with that working properly. Also, I don't believe in the idiocy of attempting to close a thousand or more file descriptors at daemon startup. There's more I got from the link in a previous post to this thread (logging to standard out for example) but this is enough to start with. Anyway, I think you may not have quite understood what I was tying to say in my last post. My point was I've been frustrated and annoyed in the past by init system changes (not necessarily systemd either) so I'm a hard case to win over. And that's all I wanted to get across. Ideally the way this goes is that a new init system, like systemd, is adopted due to its merits not by forcing people to use it. Sure, it may be necessary to do some public relations work as time passes to complete the process but that should work. If that doesn't work then, eventually, it might be necessary to resort to the heavy handed approach, although, if that's the case then perhaps the init system isn't really mature enough. Don't say we've already done the PR work because it hasn't been done. Communication to me personally, as the upstream maintainer, never happened. You also can't expect people to catch all the detail on this list. Because of the noise level it is way too time consuming when you have a lot of work to do and other lists to scan. But the main point here is, even I'm warming to systemd, and that's a big step for me, given my unpleasant past experience and, consequently, fairly bad attitude toward init systems. Ian -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
