Hi, Really, this discussion is pointless. It should be taken to whoever maintains the xdg directory layout specs nowadays (even the FHS editors gave up on normalizing /home layout and pushed the problem xdg-side) http://bugs.linuxfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788#c5 http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs I agree that xdg specifying hidden dirs by default is a poor idea. If they were cleanly laid out there would be no need to hide them. Likewise, the way the layout can be redefined via environment variables is quite a bit of gratuituous overengineering that makes the lives of everyone miserable for little gain (selinux is already reaching inside home, guess what will happen at relabel time if someone tries to move one of the default dirs?) It's all been done to make nautilus happy with "user-friendly" "localized" names on the user desktop (aping the windows mess). And now gnome3 people have decided shortcuts on the desktop are a bad idea so the whole justification for those choices does not exist anymore. Nevertheless, the xdg group is the one with the most chance to define some /home conventions, the next FHS spec is going to say so, and since in Fedora we follow the FHS, your best change is to work out the kinks xdg-side now ⇒ UPSTREAM first Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel