On Thu, 2011-07-21 at 22:01 -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: > They have some valid reasons for wanting to avoid the risk of rendering > machines inoperable or insecure because something didn't start, but I > have to agree with you that the half systemd, half sysv init thing is > pretty damn fugly. Well, the design for F15 was pretty much to use systemd as the daemon, but leave all the services as sysv, just as we've been using upstart for years. The only things which were converted to be native were things that it turned out we *had* to convert, because - due to various boring little details about how systemd works - leaving them as sysv-native would have caused significant bugs. the design for f16 is to convert all the 'stock' services you get with a default install, and on the live image (aiui). how else could we do it? it would be impractical to convert every single service in the entire distro in a single six month cycle. unless you're volunteering. ;) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel