hey Lucas, Can you point me to the on system manpage and docs for console-kit-daemon which is running be default on my F15 install? I can't seem to find the documentation. >From my reading about available systemd roadmapping for systemd-logind in the context of upstream systemd development.... systemd-logind is meant to replace the functionality of provided by the consolekit deamon. So with that in mind perhaps its best if you take a step back and dig up the information for console-kit-daemon as its being used in active Fedora releases to get a baseline understanding of what systemd-logind is meant to achieve. Or you could read: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_ev4f0gwBuvs6SH_N8fN5LO4LV3sbwtJsLq52F_wwpU/edit?hl=en&authkey=CObM_7UI&pli=1 and the thread started here: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/consolekit/2011-May/000136.html and the thread started here: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2011-May/002166.html I think its great your finally taking a good look at what is running by default in Rawhide. But it would also be a good idea if you took into account some historical perspective and set your expectations accordingly with regard to documentation, -jef -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel