Hello, I have a proposal for the redefinition of fedora.us' "unstable" section. Right now, it contains "add-ons with severe known defects or that may interfere with other software" (from FedoraChannels). It currently contains a dozen of packages. I think it could be used for software which have been checked for packaging errors, which build, but which haven't been deeply tested to work properly (at run-time). This would solve the problem we currently have in the QA queue with the pile of programming languages. They could be spec-checked, built, tested with "language --version" just to make sure they don't segfault, and put in unstable. This would adress the problem we have with packages in QA which are used by too few people or are too complex to be correctly tested at run-time. But we don't want to turn the unstable section into a second "pending" repository: there must be a way for packages to move into "testing" after being tested. For this task, we could require the usual 2 GPG-signed votes by people who use the packages. Since this type of vote doesn't imply checking the package for errors, there are more chances that people do it. It's just a "Yes, it runs properly". We could even drop the GPG requirement if we have to. There must be some place to put the vote. The voter could open a bug against the new component, but I don't think that would happen. We could also add another step between "Verified" and "Closed" but I don't know if it is possible in bugzilla. This other step would only be used for packages in the "unstable" section. Third option: we could use a specific keyword in bugzilla, and leave the package in "Verified" state (or another one, like "Reopened" for example). This would define a new queue (again). I think that the main objective is to make it as easy as possible to vote for a package in the "unstable" section, because by definition these packages are used by few people. There are probably other options, but that's all I can see right now. What do you think of that ? Aurélien -- http://gauret.free.fr ~~~~ Jabber : gauret@xxxxxxxxxxxxx In God we Trust. All others must submit an X.509 certificate.