Hi, today this update: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/upstart-1.2-2.fc14 got pushed to F14. (FWIW, I don't see how this is consistent with the update policies, but that's not the matter here.) The result is that systemd in F15 no longer Obsoletes the upstart in F14: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=707507 This is going to break upgrades from F14 to F15 for many of our users. :-( Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel