On Mon, 2011-03-28 at 14:47 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > end, I gave up and used a system without NM or any of the other stuff, > > That's the right answer: simply turn off NetworkManager and turn on the > "network" service, to prevent these new breakages from occurring. I do > that for all the machines in my test lab. For clarification, I usually do have NM_CONTROLLED set for every interface, except on laptops. In this case, I just wanted to instead turn off NetworkManager and configure the interface manually. I see no reason why it shouldn't be possible to tell a system service to stop and expect it to stay stopped until I turn it back on again. That way, I can tell NM to shutdown, do something I need to do, then get the prettified laptop experience back again when I'm done (on the netbook). This was all to tftp various firmwares over to routers I was playing with over the weekend. Soldering surface mount bits, placing wires, and poking at serial consoles and firmware setup was trivial. The hardest bit was telling a system service to stay stopped :) Jon. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel