On 2/25/11 9:46 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > You've said this many times and it seems that you do it to be > obstructionist. The constructive way to deal with this is to start making > a list of what people really mean by "essential" and then propose alternate > words to use. > > I think, by essential, some people mean: > > start the bare minimum so I don't have to start any additional services to: > > ... I don't want anything but init and a shell [*] > ... log into a getty > ... log in over the network > ... log into a desktop > ... do any client-side operations I think his point is that we could argue endlessly about what is "essential", because what's essential to you is different from what is essential to Bob, or Jim, or Susie. This was the same realization that led to the removal of the labeled "minimal" install, too many people just wanted to argue over the meaning of the term "minimal". To be constructive here, I think we as a builder of a distribution need to decide what it means to have /Fedora/ boot. What is running when something called Fedora is installed and booted. In the past it has been enough stuff to do basically what you've written above, provided the right sets of packages were installed. Some of that was dictated by anaconda, not necessarily by the contents of the rpms themselves. I understand that Fedora is in one hand a big pile of packages that users can massage and manipulate into any number of smaller end products with various configurations, but Fedora is also supposed to be a useable distribution itself, and thus we should define what it means to have Fedora boot, and perhaps avoid loaded terms such as "essential". -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
