On 2011-02-22 at 14:51-05 Josef Bacik <josef@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Fedora 16 ships without LVM as the volume manager and instead use > BTRFS's built in volume management, again just for the default. I don't think btrfs subvolumes are capable of replacing LVM functionality quite yet. Here are two usage cases that I care about: 1. Separate LVM logical volumes can help mitigate consumption-based DoS attacks. For example: if /tmp and /var/tmp are separate LVM logical volumes, then a runaway/malicious process cannot fill up the entire filesystem merely by filling up /tmp or /var/tmp. In contrast, although the btrfs wiki mentions the ability to set a quota on subvolumes at creation time, I don't think anything in btrfs-progs implements that. Plus, even if there were a way to set it, I don't see that anything reports it. 2. Separate LVM logical volumes permit easier installs. Primarily because I've never trusted the upgrade process, but also for other reasons, I always perform a full install to "upgrade" from one version of Fedora to the next. With LVM logical volumes, this process is trivial: I do a custom partition layout, and tell anaconda to format the /boot, /, /tmp, /usr, /var, and /var/cache logical volumes, and leave all the other logical volumes in the system (e.g., /home, /var/log) alone. I can't do this with one big btrfs filesystem with subvolumes. What I would have to do is first boot the installer in rescue mode, then run a bunch of "find /subvolume -xdev" commands to delete all the data on the subvolumes that I wanted to "reformat". Then I'd have to re-run the installer and tell it to use the / btrfs filesystem as-is, without formatting. None of these issues is a dealbreaker, but they *are* losses of functionality versus what LVM offers. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel