On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 14:19 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 14:01 -0500, Brian Wheeler wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 13:47 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > > > And I'm saying you can get the network remoting effect you like in X, in > > > Wayland. It's not built into the local Wayland rendering system, but > > > there are both trivial ways to add it (vnc-like) and complicated ways to > > > add it (rdp-like) and both will work. > > > > So would it be a rooted VNC? If so, that simply sucks. The rdp style > > is better, but I have a sneaking suspicion that it is going to be hit or > > miss in different toolkits the same way that GUI/TUI admin tools are > > always "kept in sync". > > Sorry, I assumed a bit much domain knowledge here. > No worries > When I say "vnc-like" I mean "let's scrape the pixels out of the > rendering buffer and shove them over the wire". VNC itself is rooted, > but vnc-like remoting can be rooted or rootless. In wayland the > fundamental object of composition is a whole window, so you have > scrapeable surfaces both at the window level and at the top level. Take > your pick. > I was hoping that window-level scraping was possible but I wasn't sure how to phrase it. > When I say "rdp-like" I mean "instill enough awareness of the > possibility of remoting in the rendering system that remoting can send a > rendering command stream instead of raw pixels if that seems to be a > win". Wordy, I admit. And, obviously, much more work than just > vnc-like scraping. But it's a serious win for WAN links, and is the > only viable way to remote 3D, etc. > Wordy, true, but I think its the kind of detail necessary to calm a lot of the fears that people have. > And, of course, you can have both at once. rdp-like remoting probably > requires toolkit awareness (in this bizarro world, the nested X server > counts as a toolkit!), so if you end up remoting an app that lacks that > level of toolkit support, you can fall back to vnc-like. > Sounds reasonable enough Brian -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
