Re: X11 and WinKey [was Re: Updating to xorg-x11 packages?]

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Mike A. Harris wrote:

s/fixed/attempted to fix/..... the problem is still present. 2 people have suggested using rpm triggers to solve this problem. Triggers are a risky business on their own however which can end up creating problems days/weeks/months down the road that are completely impossible to cleanly fix. Not that a trigger can't be done correctly the first time and not have any problems, but rather that experience of my own, and that of others has shown that triggers are very tricky and statistically are not bug free the first time around, leading to bigger problems that only manifest in future upgrades, and aren't bypassable automatically.


As such, I'd like to avoid adding triggers at all costs.

Altogether, this leaves 3 alternate scenarios that I can think of:

1) Let anaconda or something else fix it during the OS upgrade cycle, via voodoo magic.

2) Use rpm triggers with no guarantee of it actually fixing it, and no way to 100% predict the future, along with all of the associated risks of using triggers.

Downside to #1 is that users upgrading manually using rpm -Uvh, or via up2date, yum, apt will have a one time growing pain during the transition from XFree86 to xorg-x11. Solution #1 is what we probably would have done in any previous OS release to play things safe.

Downside to #2 is the risks involved with triggers, that have shown again and again repeatedly in almost every rpm package that has ever used them, that triggers are very hard to get right, and to predict all the possible ways the script might get called in the future. They're notoriously hard to test in advance also, but once they're out in the wild, if a bug is found, then users are essentially screwed until they've upgraded at least 2 times.

Again, I'm very hesitant to use rpm triggers, but at this point
nothing is ruled out yet.  I'm open to suggestions.



#1 need not be limited to anaconda. It could also be a super special case that apt, yum and up2date handle because it is extremely rare but important.


#2 triggers MAY not be a bad thing if the implemntation is good, and unlikely to introduce any security related problem. What specific concerns do you have about triggers in this case?

Warren



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