Will Woods wrote: > The main reasons we want to perform testing are things like: to avoid > pushing updates with broken dependencies The right way to prevent that is to get AutoQA completed, which will, if it works as intended, automatically detect and throw out updates with broken dependencies without needlessly delaying all those updates which don't have broken dependencies. Once AutoQA is completed, the testing process will do NOTHING whatsoever to prevent broken dependencies because they wouldn't make it through AutoQA anyway. > or updates that cause serious regressions requiring manual intervention / > emergency update replacements. No amount of testing is going to catch all such cases, and when it does happen, the testing requirements actually HINDER a quick fix, increasing the window of exposure to the bug and therefore making it affect many more users and for longer time. > In fact, Kevin, given a set of metrics we're both happy with, I'd be > willing to stake my subscription to this list on it - for, say, 3 > months. Are you willing to do the same? No. Metrics just encourage working to the metric to game the system, and any improvement you measure from the new process might just be due to chance or to factors we aren't considering at all. Plus, do we even have the historical data to compare with, given that everything older than F12 is deleted from Bodhi? Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel