Logrotate is the program called by cron to rename and expire log files. Ruedinger Oertel at SUSE (ro@xxxxxxx) has some patches that enhance the basic Redhat logrotate with "dateext". This allows a dated log file extension rather than a numbered one, for example /var/log/messages.20031029 . The old logfiles do not get renamed, just discarded after they get too old. This is a lot easier on rsync, and it also is easier to administer. Ruediger's patches do not change the current logrotate behavior, just adds new features. The code patches are stable and very well tested - all SUSE users are using them - and they work fine with the old integer-suffix scheme (which I ran for some time, to test). What are the proper steps to get these patches folded into the main development path for Fedora Core? I mentioned this on this list in October with a few positive comments, and submitted an RFE to bugzilla: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=108775 ... but there have been no responses since early November. This patch can significantly increase the efficiency of rsync disk-to-disk backups, and overall is a cleaner way to do things. Hundreds of thousands of SUSE users have tested the snarf out of it. So what can I do? Organize more Redhat-style testers? Run more compatability tests? Or is this one of those not-invented-here or not-important-enough things, and I should just patch and reinstall every time I upgrade Fedora? In the larger sense, what can I do to make it easier for the Fedora organizers to incorporate small enhancements like this? Help with other, more popular projects to earn credibility? Send beer and pizza? Keith -- Keith Lofstrom keithl@xxxxxxxx Voice (503)-520-1993 KLIC --- Keith Lofstrom Integrated Circuits --- "Your Ideas in Silicon" Design Contracting in Bipolar and CMOS - Analog, Digital, and Scan ICs