So, tor-0.2.1.25-1200.fc12 is in updates-testing for Fedora 12. It has a subpackage, tor-lsb, which provides the standard old-style init scripts. There's another "tor-upstart" package, which I presume does the new thing. Maybe soon we'll get "tor-systemd". And maybe eventually Fedora will settle on a standard here. For the purposes of this complaint, I don't care. I do care that whenever you install the package, it spits out this gem: oouch... redhat-lsb is still broken. See the report https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=522053 for details. Which points to a bug that's CLOSED|DUPLICATE of another bug that's CLOSED|RAWHIDE. So, clearly, there's some disagreement about what's fixed and what's broken. But printing out a passive-agressive warning to end-users is not the solution. The error message is confusing and very, very unhelpful. Worse, it's not _meant_ to be helpful to the poor end user -- it's meant to try to goad the other packager into action. Such things need to be taken up with FESCO, not fought about in user-visible debug output. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxx> Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional & Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering & Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel