On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > With the latest improvements in the chrony package related to > NetworkManager and name resolving I think it is now good enough to > replace ntpd in the default configuration and the configurations > supported by system-config-date. Hi Miroslav, lets go over a couple of things to help lower the grumpiness of others. 1) Who are you? 2) What is your position in regards to knowing ntpd and/or chrony in stability and other things? I think most people do not know who maintains ntpd, and do not know if this is a "Oh wow I just found this really great software program and we should change to it right away!!!!" kind of email. > I'm proposing to add a support for chrony to system-config-date and > change the dependency. As chrony supports only a subset of the NTP > protocol and misses many of the ntpd features, users will have to > install the ntp package manually if they have a specific requirement > or need to use a more complicated configuration. Ok time is one of those touchstone security tools that people get all kinds of crazy about when things get changed. Here are a couple of questions that might help: 1) Why chrony? Why not OpenNTPD [fill in the blank here] 2) Where is the data that chrony actually controls the clock better? 3) How far have you/others tested it in comparison with ntpd? 4) A release plan should probably look like the following: Fedora-14 we add chrony into alternatives or other commands needed to get it to work. System-config-date has pathways to configure one or the other when it is seen. Test days and reviews are done to see how it is going. Organize a short-term sig and get Mo to make a design for shirts (melting clocks sounds a good idea). People who test, find bugs, etc etc qualify for a drawing of stuff. Fedora-15 from feedback we have gotten on chrony, we go through the plan of making chrony default (or not) and make ntpd optional. This is one alternative plan ( a bit slow but for security related things probably better.). To speed it up we need to move get people motivated towards 12/13 testing and feedback. -- Stephen J Smoogen. “The core skill of innovators is error recovery, not failure avoidance.” Randy Nelson, President of Pixar University. "We have a strategic plan. It's called doing things."" — Herb Kelleher, founder Southwest Airlines -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
