I'm sorry you are unhappy. I can only speak for myself here, but: - I don't distrust our maintainers. I very much value the work they do and without them we would have no Fedora. However, I also want to help them do the right thing for our users (who I also would like to see happy). I'm open to ideas on how to reduce 'red tape' for them, while increasing the standard of packages for our users. I know you have many such ideas, but I don't agree that we should not have testing or help our maintainers find problems before our users get the package. - I read this list every day, and am very mindful of feedback from developers. Any communication media is good, IMHO. My mailbox is also always open. I think many become discouraged with the mailing list these days because a few people reply to EVERY SINGLE POST with no new thoughts or information. Make a reasoned argument, wait and reply (at a high level) to feedback. Posting a reply to every post repeating yourself just makes less people able or interested in following the discussion. - I would like to hope that we can look beyond ourselves. We shouldn't be looking at "My packages" or "My Desktop". We should all be working for a Fedora that we can be proud of our users using. We should be consistent about how much testing we do and when we update things so ALL our users will know whats going on. Can we Improve things? I absolutely think so, but change takes time, well reasoned argument, and people willing to do the work to make it happen. kevin
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