On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 12:45 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 13:37:11 -0400, > Matthias Clasen <mclasen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 10:08 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > > > I don't see how using Mozilla trademarks provides significant benefit > > > to Fedora. It seems to mostly benefit Mozilla. I don't see why we should > > > be breaking our rules to help them. > > > > > > I think you are grossly misjudging the relative visibility and > > importance of the Firefox and Fedora brands... nobody knows what Fedora > > is, while most computer users will have at least heard about Firefox. > > Yeah, but "most computer users" isn't relevant. The question is about what > is relevant to Fedora users. Changing the name of Firefox will have little > affect on them since it is installed as the default web browser. Being able > to fix bugs in a timely manner on the other hand, is going to have a > significant affect on them. Wait, let's not get silly here. Fedora has a great relationship with Mozilla. They're an amazing project filled with people that Get It, and we can work out issues with them in a cooperative way. Consider: * Mozilla is currently implementing unit tests *on Fedora* in addition to their long-standing tests on CentOS. This benefits both communities. See Armen's blog posts at http://armenzg.blogspot.com/2010/04/unit-tests-for-fedora-utont-project.html and http://armenzg.blogspot.com/2010/04/one-more-fedora-unit-test-suite-visible.html * Mozilla's brands are very well-known: They have 350+ million users across multiple platforms (Windows, Mac, Linux), far more than we have in Fedora. The ability to use these apps in Fedora helps to assures new users that switching costs will be low. * The trademark rules are there for a reason. Browser and e-mail clients are some of the most common attack points on desktop systems, and Mozilla needs to ensure that they don't get a black eye for some vulnerability introduced by a distro. And distros definitely introduce vulnerabilities: think about the Debian ssh-keygen patch fiasco as an example. We wouldn't do something so rash, of course -- or would we? The suggestion earlier in this thread that we patch TB and push directly to stable does not instill confidence. (We have the freedom to turn off the branding anytime and use the code however we want, but why give up the marketing value? and why give up the testing?) Let's not be brash. If we want to ship TB with one small patch, it's a simple matter of asking. -Chris -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
