Hi, there have been serious bugs filled and ignored against this package for ages, see eg https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=483537 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560053 Perhaps the maintainers did not realise the severity of the bugs - it appears that any nontrivial example will inevitably crash. I have tried to debug with gdb & valgrind, all I can say it is non quite trivial, seems like some memory management & garbage collection issue. The last version that ever worked for me was in "Red Hat Linux release 8.0 (Psyche)", I have skipped a few intermediate releases before jumping on Fedora so no idea when exactly it stopped working. I have recompiled and installed the ruby and tcltk packages from this source. The finding is that programs that worked in RH 8 crash in F10 & F12 even when exact the same sources are used. Possibly ruby or tcltk relied on some assumptions that does not work with newer glibc. I hope that someone has an idea - otherwise I think it is safe to completely remove the package. Richard -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel