On Sun, Jun 20, 2004 at 09:37:23PM -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: > Excellent, thanks. I was just looking at this yesterday and then got > distracted before really digging into libdv. New libdv with the patch > built and building gstreamer-plugins now. Great. That brings down further the number of gtk+ depending packages. I'm aware of: mtr-gtk and nmap-frontend, both frontends to terminal network analyzing packages, which honestly shouldn't be difficult to port system-config-proc, which is a RedHat package xmms, which has been really slow to even start porting to gtk2, but an outside group forked it to a gtk2 version: http://beepmp.sourceforge.net gnucash, and the host of GNOME1.4 packages that are now only required for gnucash. (gtkhtml1, Guppi, gnome-libs, and a bunch of others with interlocking dependencies) They've been working on a GTK2 and GNOME2 port for a while, although they would appreciate any help. and various assorted things like gdk-pixbuf and gtk-engines that are essentially part of gtk+ itself. Many people on the list have talked about removing inessential packages and so forth, especially from the default install. Hopefully soon GNOME1.4 and maybe also gtk+ can be removed from the defaults. I'd like to nominate it as a goal for FC3, but it really depends on gnucash; everything else is probably fairly easy. John Thacker