On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:46:54 -0500 (EST) Seth Vidal <skvidal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010, drago01 wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Seth Vidal > > <skvidal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Another question - how many broken things we shipped in release > >>> that could be fixed by updates? We shipped lot of unfinished, > >>> feature incomplete stuff in history... > >>> > >>> Nobody can't say I'm for shipping broken stuff - for release, > >>> updates etc... I'm usually the one who says no for > >>> incomplete/broken stuff ;-) > >>> > >>> But please stop this. What I wanted to point out is that there > >>> ARE users out there and we should know, WHO are our users. Or we > >>> can take a risk and set target audience so we would know it or we > >>> can be all-catch distro but then we have to behave like we are > >>> all-catch... In this case you know - we need compromise... > >>> > >> > >> We get the users we aim for. > >> > >> The issue at hand is the type of users we want to aim for. > >> > >> Here's the camps I see: > >> > >> 1. One group wants us to aim for mom/pop/grandma/desktop users - > >> the apple market or what ubuntu aims for. > >> > >> 2. one group wants us to aim exclusively for the bleeding edge open > >> source developer market. > >> > >> 3. one group wants us to aim for the admin/experienced user who > >> wants newer things but doesn't have time nor interest to fight > >> with lots of broken things. > > > > Mind telling why those are mutually exclusive ? > > Why does an operation system that is easy to use (1.) have to be > > broken (3.) or only contain outdated stuff (3., 2.). > > > > Even if people disagree with this we do NOT need a specific target > > audience, selecting a specific group of users and telling others "go > > away" is nothing but failure on our side. > > I think the essential problem is you cannot please everyone all the > time. > > Since we have finite resources we should think in that regard. Who > are the users we want the most? What I don't get, seriously, is why people in 2. can't use rawhide or the latest updates-testing and instead pretend to inflict "almost rawhide" on everybody else. Maybe it was said in the sea of emails of the last week, and I lost it. But this is what I am wondering. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
