On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 13:51, Thomas Janssen <thomasj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Mathieu Bridon > <bochecha@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 13:33, Thomas Janssen <thomasj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> What cost? I'm the maintainer of those packages. If i want them as >>> well for people who want it in F-11, i give it to them. Why should i >>> force someone to upgrade every 6 month? Or even worse to rawhide as >>> mentioned in this thread? I had skipped F-11 myself entirely because >>> it was (FOR ME) too broken (personal opinions i dont want to discuss, >>> because i dont have to discuss it, it's my right to think that a >>> release is bad and skip it). I respect people who wants to do that as >>> well. >> >> And what would have happened if those packages that made F11 "too >> broken" had found their way in Fedora 10 as stable updates? >> >> - Joe User: "Foobar is too buggy in F11, and it's a critical part of >> my usage of my computer, so I'm staying on F10" >> - Foobar maintainer: "I'm updating Foobar in F10 so that F10 users can >> benefit from the same new features as those on F11" >> >> To me, not updating F(x-1) to the same level as Fx is actually the >> best way to let people their "right to skip a Version". If you update >> F(x-1) to the same level as Fx, then those users will (almost) not >> have skipped anything. > > As i said before. Nobody holds a gun on my head and tells me "you have > to update that packages". If you dont want it, read the man yum and > exclude what you dont want. That's what i did in F-10. On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 13:51, Thomas Janssen <thomasj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Mathieu Bridon > <bochecha@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 13:33, Thomas Janssen <thomasj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> What cost? I'm the maintainer of those packages. If i want them as >>> well for people who want it in F-11, i give it to them. Why should i >>> force someone to upgrade every 6 month? Or even worse to rawhide as >>> mentioned in this thread? I had skipped F-11 myself entirely because >>> it was (FOR ME) too broken (personal opinions i dont want to discuss, >>> because i dont have to discuss it, it's my right to think that a >>> release is bad and skip it). I respect people who wants to do that as >>> well. >> >> And what would have happened if those packages that made F11 "too >> broken" had found their way in Fedora 10 as stable updates? >> >> - Joe User: "Foobar is too buggy in F11, and it's a critical part of >> my usage of my computer, so I'm staying on F10" >> - Foobar maintainer: "I'm updating Foobar in F10 so that F10 users can >> benefit from the same new features as those on F11" >> >> To me, not updating F(x-1) to the same level as Fx is actually the >> best way to let people their "right to skip a Version". If you update >> F(x-1) to the same level as Fx, then those users will (almost) not >> have skipped anything. > > As i said before. Nobody holds a gun on my head and tells me "you have > to update that packages". If you dont want it, read the man yum and > exclude what you dont want. That's what i did in F-10. Not everyone is capable of even remotely understand what those mysterious words are saying. What they know however is that "updating is supposed to fix problems and make my computer works better". Yes, in an ideal world, everyone has access to a friendly sysadmin taking care of their computers. We're not in an ideal world, so we should make it possible for anyone to use our software, or else it's no good that it's possible for anyone to modify our software. > Best thing mentioned on this list since that mega thread was to use > another repo "updates-stable" and make that enabled by default. > > Educate then people with popups what the other repos bring in before > they get it enabled. So everyone can have what he want as well. There's already the need for checking a box so that the Rawhide and updates-testing repos are even visible. Yet, lot's of people did enable it, thinking it would provide them more software. That's why the Rawhide repo was separated in its own subpackage so it would not be installed by default. Why would this be any different with what you propose? ---------- Mathieu Bridon -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
