On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:35:52 -0500 Bill Nottingham <notting@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: [ radeonhd vs radeon ] > So, if our X maintainers won't handle bugs with it, we have a working > default alternative that is maintained upstream, and it's *known* to > be broken in the default configuration, why ship it? If we're trying > to focus on quality, I'm not sure why we'd ship something that's known > broken. > > Hans, are you OK if we block this from rawhide? >From where I stand, there are a number of reasons both for and against having a radeonhd package in Fedora. Most of those reasons will have different importance for different people. The reasons I see for having radeonhd in Fedora all boil down to radeonhd and radeon containing different sets of bugs, and triggering different sets of bugs in other software components (and probably also hardware). Often, those issues can be hard to find if the exact hardware is not available to the developers, and thus take quite long to fix. See e.g. http://airlied.livejournal.com/68550.html There have always been cases of one driver working for people while the other does not, and vice versa. The complexity of the whole graphics system suggests this will probably not change soon. For keeping radeonhd in Fedora K1. Giving users a working system using the other driver during the weeks or months needed to fix a bug in one of the drivers is good for users. K2. Easy availability of another driver to try makes locating the bug easier: Is the issue common to both drivers, or different or not present at all with the other. For blocking radeonhd from Fedora B1. Less work for me and Matej in bugzilla. B2. Less bugs mistakenly assigned to radeonhd by the reporters. B3. Lacking an alternative, the pressure to fix bugs with radeon would increase (and hopefully improve things). B4. radeonhd requires some nomodeset kernel parameter, depending on kernel version. As to the KMS issue, I do not see where to communicate to users that radeonhd needs KMS off but in README.fedora. radeonhd upstream do not support KMS. All that said, I have been mostly running radeon with nomodeset on my F11 system (ThinkPad T60, X1400/rv515) for the last few months, so for me personally, I would not lose much by radeonhd being removed from Fedora. I have not had an opportunity to test the state of affairs on F12 or even rawhide, and also have no R6xx, R7xx, R8xx chipsets, so I cannot comment on any of that. -- Hans Ulrich Niedermann -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
