Hi there, Unfortunately the new HAL on F-12 removed the handling for ACLs (apparently this is now done by udev >= 145), but this now has the side-effect of removing the fdi files that were being used for Palm devices, resulting in breaking of all Palm functionality in Fedora, as detailed here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=529259 My question is, as a neophyte wrt udev/hal internal logic, where should this logic correctly reside? The appropriate functionality appears to have moved to the udev package as implied by the changelog entry in hal: * Wed Jul 22 2009 David Zeuthen <davidz> - 0.5.12-26.20090226git.4 - Disable ConsoleKit+PolicyKit support and lock down most interfaces with at_console - Disable ACL management, this is now handled by udev >= 145 but it doesn't appear to be there at least with respect to Palm devices. At one point we actually had the logic in the pilot-link package, but we removed it when it was upstreamed in hal, now it's moved again. :( I have only just upgraded to F-12, and apparently the main pilot-link owner (I'm just a co-maintainer) has not had a chance to test this on F-12 otherwise it would have been caught earlier in the release cycle. This is a fairly major regression for the user experience of any Palm user (yes there are still many of us!) on F-12, so I would like to get it fixed ASAP (at the very least for a 0-day or 1-day update if possible). If necessary I'm happy re-enable it in pilot-link only (if that's possible) until upstream is ready to push an update, but I'd like to know fairly soon so that I don't conflict on a possible udev/hal update that does the same thing. Alex -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list