Hi, this is just an announce that finally we will make a new rawhide release tomorrow with udev support enabled in device-mapper and LVM2 packages (upcoming device-mapper-1.02.39-2, lvm2-2.02.54-2). This is a scratch you can check and test if you would like to: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1774341 We will provide the rules as well as the udev synchronisation feature (udev_sync) in libdevmapper directly. We have extended its interface so it's possible to wait for udev to process the events that are related to actions done on DM devices (create, rename, resume, remove). This way we can prevent races between libdevmapper and udev itself. However, we had to change the layout in /dev based on comments from udev team: - /dev/mapper directory is now filled with symlinks (not nodes) with names given by actual DM device names - these symlinks point to /dev/dm-X nodes, X is a number. This is an internal kernel name that should not be visible in userspace, but there's this udev requirement that node names must match the kernel names so... - as for LVM - we use symlinks in /dev/<vgname> but now these ones point to /dev/dm-X not /dev/mapper/<actual_dm_name> Any other software using libdevmapper should work without any problems while still not using udev_sync feature (libdevmapper will detect this and it will fallback to old way of node creation under /dev - that is by libdevmapper itself, the rules will be selectively switched off automatically in these situations). However, we expect that everybody using libdevmapper will switch to using udev_sync interface as well gradually. There were some problems last time we brought this into the F12 rawhide a month ago (the most critical were dracut and anaconda). We have identified these problems and everything should be fixed now (there are proper hooks in dracut to install the new rules and we provided a quick workaround in libdevmapper for parted utility that caused the anaconda to fail, there's also a fix on its way to parted upstream itself). Maybe I should mention other known problems we track and we know about: - mount utility uses inappropriate DM names in mtab (because it follows the symlinks and takes the internal dm-X names). The consequence is that utilities reading mtab will show these dm-X names instead of actual DM names (like the output of "df"). The fix is in upstream util-linux-ng already (as of 26th October) so I hope it will propagate into rawhide soon. - since we create the nodes on "change" udev event (and we have to!) and suppress the node creation on "add" event, there's a problem while using "udevadm trigger". The trigger generates "add" events by default and when called, the DM nodes are removed (because of the node suppression on add and udev removes the nodes if we use the suppression and the nodes exist already). We have to work out a proper solution with udev team here, but if you run into this problem, you can have those DM nodes back by calling: udevadm trigger --action=change --property-match=DM_UDEV_RULES_VSN=* or (but this works for kernels >= 2.6.29 only): udevadm trigger --action=change --attr-match=dm/name or: udevadm control --env=STARTUP=1 udevadm trigger udevadm control --env=STARTUP= - there's a problem with GRUB2 that can't deal with the symlinks in /dev/mapper (it's the grub-probe that fails iirc). Since there are more things to fix in grub2 with respect to DM devices, we have to work more closely with grub team to solve this issue and other issues. Hopefully I've mentioned eveything that's important. If you have any questions, please, feel free to raise your comments here. The plan is to switch this on tomorrow, but if there's anyone who sees a problem here and who would like to test it more and needs more time, please, let me know. Thanks Peter -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list