On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 20:56 +0000, Colin Walters wrote: > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Jesse Keating <jkeating@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Rawhide as we know it, /pub/fedora/linux/releases/development/ will > > remain "rawhide". We may even change the path to say rawhide, just to > > catch things up and well I like keeping mirrors on their toes. Rawhide > > will be a repository of developmental and experimental packages. Things > > being worked on for the future. It will /not/ be an installable tree, > > rather it will just be a repository of packages, to be added on to an > > already stable "base", eg you'd install F12, and enable rawhide to test > > rawhide. This will significantly lower the complaints that "rawhide > > isn't installable". > > So as I understand it there are a number of reasons why rawhide might > not be installable, but broadly they fall into two major categories: > > * Anaconda > * Critpath packages > - Dependency/rebuild issues > - Bugs in %posts (like the user/group one we ran into with dbus) > - Core bugs (graphics drivers) > > It seems like we're basically just skipping Anaconda, since you won't > be able to yum if there are depsolving issues (ok, modulo > --skip-broken), and for the latter two you don't end up with a > "working" system. > > Let me do a counter-proposal: > > We simply do not let showstopper regressions in the critpath stay in > rawhide. If something in critpath has a showstopper, it halts all > further commits to the entire critpath until it's resolved (either > fixed, or reverted). The definition of "showstopper" might be "AutoQA > fails". And since AutoQA will have been doing some basic smoketesting > of the installer, we have to be producing installer images as a side > effect. > I... don't see how this helps, other than piss off the rest of the crit-path maintainers while one thing is broken. AutoQA will be running at some point, and it can be doing the qa /before/ things get tagged for rawhide, so if you break deps with your build, it doesn't get in, unless you force it and then you face the wrath of releng/qa. To catch core bugs, we'll need a bit more advanced autoqa, doing more than just repo level testing but doing actual package testing. That will grow over time and again can be done pre-tag. Your counter proposal also does nothing to help the dual or sometimes triple role we try to put on "rawhide" the path. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating
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