On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 10:54:54AM +0100, Terry Barnaby wrote: >>> It would be good to have a Linux system that could actually to 3D with the >>> major applications by the end of 2009 ! >> >> Fortunately, F-12 is scheduled for release by then! >> >> josh >> > Are you confident that F12 will make 3D usable under Linux on the majority of > mainstream graphics cards ? > > Due to the range of graphics hardware and the differences between them, I would > have thought that a significant amount of user testing and bug fixing > would need to be done to achieve this. I tried the F12 ATI graphics It is. Which is why we encourage people to test rawhide and Alpha and Beta releases. > testing day and although a good idea the 3D tests were very limited and > due to the amount of effort a user has to put in I guess limited in > scope. Although people, myself included, feed back bugs upstream into the > freedesktop GIT repository I would have thought that a larger audience > was required ... A large tester base is needed, yes. > I would have thought that more people would be likely to try out the graphics > updates if it is easy for them to install on their running systems and > use in their normal usage patterns rather than have to maintain a > separate test system > just to test and feed back issues ... Except that is a major undertaking, and honestly I think it's not what we should push onto users that are on a stable release. Development happens in rawhide. > It seems that the Fedora short release lifetime makes this sort of > testing/bug fixing for X11 refinement harder. > > Anyway I guess this is obviously a trade off between user/testers and > developers time :) Yes, and it's also about trying to consolidate as much of the testing effort as we can. josh -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list