On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 01:43:26PM +0200, Jakub Jelinek wrote: >On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:32:07AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >> >Why are you backporting something like this from a non-released compiler >> >into F12 _after_ Alpha and particularly _after_ the mass rebuild? >> >> No response? None? >> >> I mean, I'm not asking for much. All I want is an explanation as to why >> this _has_ to be in F12 and can't be rolled into F13 instead. At first >> glance, it would make more sense to let the feature get some testing in >> GCC mainline before we just backport it to Fedora users, so putting it >> in F13 seems better to me. > >Because we really want it in F12, to make e.g. systemtap usable. It got >quite a lot of testing already and has been in development for 2 years. >Originally it was expected to be merged early in the summer, testing >rawhide gccs have been prepared already in early August. So systemtap wasn't considered usable before this? I am not a GCC expert, but I can see how this feature would help it. But it was surely usable before this, right? >There were so far 3 bugreports related to this, 2 of them are already fixed, >LLVM build is just needing too much memory on completely insane source >(people calling functions with 1375 arguments, 685 out of it are classes >with non-trivial ctors passed by value, deserve some punishment) and Alex >will look at it today. I have every confidence that you and Alex will fix all the bugs reported. I also think the code itself is likely fairly stable, and may very well provide some usability wins overall. Your competence as a developer is not, nor ever was, in question so please don't misunderstand my questioning. The largest problem I have with all this is the fact that the release guidelines that everyone else has to follow don't appear to be followed at all in this case. You're introducing a backported feature into a critical path package after Feature freeze, and after a mass-rebuild which would have arguably helped test the hell out of this. Any other maintainer would have to get an exception from rel-eng and/or FESCo in order to do something like this. I don't see why the same requirements don't apply here. josh -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
