On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 23:06 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Maybe we just need an en_INTL locale which defaults to US English > translations, but ISO standards everywhere else (ISO yyyy-mm-dd dates, ISO > A4 paper, metric units etc.)? (Currency would be a problem though, default > to €? $? The generic currency sign ¤ almost nobody actually uses? Or > something silly like "%f bucks"? ;-) ) Such a locale might even become the > default (though it'd irritate US folks ;-) ). I think it'd cover the needs > of most of the non-US users of en_US, and details could still be overidden > where needed. Well, FWIW there is the (rather weird) en_DK locale, which has YYYY-MM-YY dates (I think its the only locale where this is the default) English A4 Paper Metric units 1.000,00 decimal format 0xA4 "Currency Sign" Currency and then there is en_IE which has DD/MM/YYYY dates English A4 Paper Metric units 1,000.00 decimal format € Currency Though I sort of reckon that the right-thing-to-do might be to instead have a utility which convinces the user to configure their locale setting *truthfully* but also support setting LANGUAGE, so that one can specify that you want messages and the UI in English anyway, without pulling in the extra baggage that comes with an en_US locale. e.g. taking a standard German_Germany example $ export LANG=de_DE.utf8 $ locale LANG=de_DE.utf8 LC_CTYPE="de_DE.utf8" LC_NUMERIC="de_DE.utf8" LC_TIME="de_DE.utf8" LC_COLLATE="de_DE.utf8" LC_MONETARY="de_DE.utf8" LC_MESSAGES="de_DE.utf8" LC_PAPER="de_DE.utf8" LC_NAME="de_DE.utf8" LC_ADDRESS="de_DE.utf8" LC_TELEPHONE="de_DE.utf8" LC_MEASUREMENT="de_DE.utf8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="de_DE.utf8" LC_ALL= $ echo "\""$LANGUAGE"\"" "" $ ls --help | head -n 1 Aufruf: ls [OPTION]... [DATEI]... $ date +%x 28.08.2009 assuming that English is the desired language for output and we're sort of geeky and want ISO dates, then we should have something friendly that allows one to configures things to get... export LANG=de_DE.utf8 export LANGUAGE=en_US.utf8 export LC_TIME=en_DK.utf8 would give the probable truly desired outcome of... $ locale LANG=de_DE.utf8 LC_CTYPE="de_DE.utf8" LC_NUMERIC="de_DE.utf8" LC_TIME=en_DK.utf8 LC_COLLATE="de_DE.utf8" LC_MONETARY="de_DE.utf8" LC_MESSAGES="de_DE.utf8" LC_PAPER="de_DE.utf8" LC_NAME="de_DE.utf8" LC_ADDRESS="de_DE.utf8" LC_TELEPHONE="de_DE.utf8" LC_MEASUREMENT="de_DE.utf8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="de_DE.utf8" LC_ALL= $ echo "\""$LANGUAGE"\"" "en_US.utf8" $ ls --help | head -n 1 Usage: ls [OPTION]... [FILE]... $ date +%x 2009-08-28 and that allows LANG to be retained for use as e.g. the default "content creation" language, i.e. default spell check using that setting, gettext LANGUAGE variable as the UI/output language, and the correct locale values for currency, paper, etc. C. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
