I wouldn't say Fedora 11 is that bad, but it has
certainly has been problematic for me as well. I have to agree with
Alan Cox that all of your issues were caused by preupgrade. The best
thing to do is to create a separate partition for your home folder,
then replace the operating system for new releases, and redirect Fedora
to where your home folder is in fstab.
However, I unfortunately have to say that since Fedora 9, user
experience has been decreasing for me. Installing Fedora was a
nightmare since trying to do anything other than replace the existing
Linux Partition caused anaconda to crash, connecting to computers
across my internal home network is precarious, and multimedia support
is the worst I've ever seen it. I'd rather see nothing but a
significant increase in reliability in F12 than to see any new features
at all.
On 07/25/2009 11:30 AM, Farkas Levente wrote:
hi,
first of all i use linux since '94 so i've seen a few releases. and
learned to wait a few weeks before upgrade. now i try to upgrade from a
few fully update f10 to f11.
it's a nightmare!
on a 5 years old hardware with raid1 system and boot partition anaconda
crash with dmraid error while i don't use dmraid just mdraid:-( and
since preupgrade also crash with the same error there is no way to
properly upgrade from the latest release to the next release! not even
with nodmraid kernel option.
on system where anaconda do not crash f10 update's yum newer then on
f11 iso's so the installer do not upgrade yum! so after the upgrade yum
no longer works. as the installer do not upgrade kernel-devel akmods
not able to rebuild kernel module for nvidia and ati so X not able to
start. in order to be able to get the latest kernel-devel and akmods
packages i need network. but as i don't have X i can't use these
fantastic networkmanager tool and the old ifup wlan0 no longer works.
but without networkmanager wifi is not working so my laptop is no
longer usable! no X ati do not working, no wireless.
all of my system has a wrong openssl version so eg ntp never start.
after i manually get (with a pendrive) yum packages yum able to work
but crash and ask me to send this bug to the developer (but still
without network). there was some python 2.5 abi problem. how can a
system critical tool like yum depend on such a broken thing like
python? currently there is no way in installer to use rpm it use yum:-(
after i update by hand a few dozen of packages with rpm yum start to
work.
now the worst part after i already install f11 yum show 2069 packages
to update!!! just one month after the release! my system consist of
2059 packages at the same time yum download 2069 packages to update!
what the hell i doing??? why do i upgrade the system for a half days if
i upgrade all of my packages. why do i need a dvd iso? this download is
more then the whole iso!
and the real annoying part after i upgrade a few thousands of packages
is the sound no longer works! there is no volume control i can't play
even a wav file with play ...wav. is it so difficult thing? in 2009
it's a big requirement that an operating system be able to play a wav
file? anyway nothing is working no sound at all skype is no longer
works. tv tunner card no longer works. why anybody try to push this
pulse stuff!? it's known to broken no one like it it's very early in
development. after each fedora release a real big part of the mailing
list traffic is about pulseaudio. let's just exclude it out and try to
use it after 2012. are you really wanna suck so much with it?
and the firefox and thunderbird betas... why? do we really need to be
so cutting edge? they are broken and crash too often:-(
thunderbird has no google calendar provider (while it had in f10) so
it's worse then in f10. there is a testing thunderbird-lightening which
has no corresponding thunderbird release (f11 was released on 9th
juli:-)
on a simple on borad intel video card X/gnome crash daily.
and i could be list many other problems. so i really thing that's the
worst then ever release of fedora.
and tend to agree with dag that fedora is not suitable even for the
desktop/workstation world. and i can't say anything those ubuntu users
who said it's working in ububtu:-(
if rhel 6 will be released i'll push a new company policy that no one
can use fedora (it's so much problem for the users and the support that
it's not worth for it) even as a desktop os just centos 6.
a really angry fedora user.
--
Levente "Si vis pacem para bellum!"
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