Martin Sourada wrote:
On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 02:04 -0600, Douglas McClendon wrote:
Fedorans,
Can you spare 50 or 100K? If you can spare 100K/700M in the forthcoming
Fedora-12 LiveCD, I can provide you with a rebootless installation
experience.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RebootlessInstaller
The short story is that you boot the LiveCD/USB, run the installation,
and then, instead of rebooting into the installed OS, you are already
looking at and using it.
<snip>
Hi Doug,
I think this is an interesting idea and I don't see why you it should
not be done (if you are willing to do the work). It would also IMHO be a
cool killing feature (from marketing POV) ;-) My idea of how this would
be implemented best is:
Hi Martin, thanks for the great feedback. As you can see from the
project page, I already have a simple/experimental implementation, which
I would like to get accepted more or less as is, perhaps prioritizing
more on functionality for F12 than features. But you brought up some
good ideas...
1. do the installation
2. on the last page instead of plain "thank you for installing" and
"exit" (I don't recall what exactly is on the last anaconda page) would
be "thank you for installing" and "start using the installed system
now", "continue using {Desktop, KDE, ...} Live" and "reboot" buttons.
That is more or less what I have, or rather, I have a big text widget
with the simplest line of text currently. The text for the intro and
final pages, and other places, I definitely expect to hone based on
feedback like yours. After the feature is accepted, and even before,
I'll gladly accept patches :)
If you pushed the "start using the installed system now" you'd start
using the system from hdd and the live CD/DVD would be ejected. Also it
would be probably good idea to pop-up a notification icon that suggests
reboot (like package-kit does for e.g. kernel updates).
How about a mention in the intro or success page that mentions the
minimal root-on-lvm performance hit until the next reboot. Other than
that, there is no reason to suggest the reboot. Or rather, just let
packagekit do what packagekit does, and get an updated kernel, and then
give the suggest like normal, for the normal reason?
If you pushed the "continue using {Desktop, KDE, ...} Live" it would
just quit the installer and suggest reboot in a similar case as before.
If you pushed the "reboot one" it would quit the installer and forced a
reboot (and perhaps prompted the user to save their work).
Adding an optional reboot button to the success page is certainly a
reasonable idea, fairly trivial to add.
Of course it could be made into radiobuttons instead of buttons with
just one "Finish" or whatever button.
The default would stay "continue using {Desktop, KDE, ...} Live".
This would of course work only for Live Spins, I don't see any reason to
try to push this to the "standard" DVD or network installs.
I agree, this is definitely a 'LiveOS' thing.
Also you'd need to properly handle firstboot in this case, which would
be bypassed. Me thinks firstboot should be purged anyway, but it still
exists and you need to be aware of it.
There really isn't that much there these days anyway. See my reply to
Colin for a discussion of that.
Thanks again for good design ideas,
peace...
-dmc
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