Gregory Maxwell wrote: > They aren't really per-country either. To be most accurate I would say are > per-language with occasional national variants. > > There are quite a few cases where the implication that a language belongs > to a particular country (or a country has a particular 'right' language) > is highly offensive. It's simply not right, and it's highly insensitive to > the social realities in some parts of the world. Then those users can just turn the darn checkbox off. Users in many other parts of the world are expecting and asking for those flags. See e.g. bug reports like these: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=244578 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=236332 (and several more) or forum threads like this: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=147863 > It smacks of the sort of multi-cultural ignorance that Americans are > widely credited with… Kinda ironic how you're accusing me of multi-cultural ignorance while at the same time assuming I'm American. :-/ I'm a European (Italian citizen, born and resident in Austria, went to a French school) who speaks 4 languages fluently (German, Italian, French, English). I know that countries and languages don't map 1:1 and that keyboard layouts don't map 1:1 to either. But if you look at the list of keyboard layouts, you'll see that 78 layouts out of 83 (checked on Fedora 9) are named after a country. I don't see how it would be inappropriate to match those up with a flag. If that's inappropriate, then the name needs fixing too! But then it's kinda hard to find a proper name and especially a proper 2-letter code to show in the switcher (so I don't see how 2-letter codes are any better than flags). (How do you fit "Germany and Austria" into 2 letters? "da" won't cut it, that's already Denmark. Even 3 letters are insufficient for some layouts used in multiple countries. And you can't fit more into a systray icon.) The remaining 5 layouts (Arabic, Braille, Esperanto, Latin America and Maori) are shown without a country flag, using just a 3-letter abbreviation (Maori could probably use a New Zealand flag, but it currently doesn't). I don't see how that interface is inappropriate. As for the multi-language countries which have been cited, both Switzerland and India have A SINGLE keyboard layout in that list (which is generated from xkb data)! Switzerland has variants for German and French (not sure which one the Italian speakers use) which you select AFTER you selected the main layout in the list (and the dialog allows you to pick 2 variants and to rename them, so if you want to switch between Swiss German and Swiss French layouts, you can make them show up as de and fr or something of your choice in the switcher). India has a default + 15 variants (and there too you can pick multiple ones and rename them). So if you think selecting layouts per country and considering the language variants variants of the same layout is broken, complain to the xkb folks, not to KDE! > Have a citation for that? Specifically for a refusal to stop > conflating keymaps and languages with national flags? See e.g.: http://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=108491020719046&w=2 (and the whole thread). Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
