Nathan Grennan wrote: > I understand, but on the other hand does Fedora want a dozen bug > reports over Thunderbird being useless, because of a crappy default? The problem is that Fedora can't change anything in Thunderbird (nor Firefox) without upstream buy-in because the maintainer refuses to rename the programs and thus we're bound by Mozilla's strict (and IMHO completely unreasonable and unacceptable in the Free Software world) trademark policy. I'm really fed up of all the special treatment Mozilla is getting over this, for example the xulrunner/firefox/thunderbird stack is now the ONLY one excluded from provenpackager commits, if all projects worked like this (i.e. required upstream's approval for every single patch), Fedora would be completely unmaintainable. I really don't see why we don't just rename Firefox and Thunderbird like Debian is doing. (Well, I think I see it – conflict of interest anyone? (*) – but I don't see that as being a valid reason.) (*) check who the primary maintainer of Firefox and Thunderbird in Fedora is and who he's involved with, draw your own conclusions... Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list