Jesse Keating wrote: > It's easier to get it into a freeze than it is to issue an update to the > release... >From a maintainer's perspective, it's actually not, and this is probably one of the issues with our processes at hand here. Freeze break: file a ticket with rel-eng, in an interface not explicitly designed for package updates (which makes it clear you're talking to actual humans and requires you to actually explain what you want in some form of sentence), justify the change, explain why it doesn't break anything, wait for 2 rel-eng members to explicitly approve it, and expect to be questioned if your justifications are insufficient. Update: fill it in in Bodhi, no explanation required at all (people file updates even with blank descriptions and get away with it!), wait for the next push. Only occasionally you or mschwendt will ask what the point of the update is, or somebody (often mschwendt) will point out some broken dependencies, and even in those cases it often ends up getting pushed anyway. If nobody notices, it gets pushed by default (quite the opposite as for the freeze breaks). And no, I don't think requiring the same amount of bureaucracy for updates as for freeze breaks will scale. (Updates already take too long to go out, and I also think the workload would be too high for rel-eng.) I do think blank or uninformative (e.g. "new upstream release") descriptions ought to be banned though. Most likely a common process with some sort of middle ground is needed, though I'm not sure how exactly it should look. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list