On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 08:29:19AM -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: > On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 07:34:07AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >>> On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 11:10:52AM +0000, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct >>> >>> I'll also point out that Fedora has existed for a number of years without >>> a documented code of conduct. While the document you pointed to is >>> certainly nice, I don't see the need to write down and require everyone >>> to sign something that is just plain common sense. >> >> It can be useful to formally write down things which are 'plain common >> sense', so that when someone isn't showing common sense you can point >> them to it and say 'you are violating this rule, stop'. >> > > and then what? > > After someone says 'stop', if the person either 1. does not agree with > the code or 2. does not believe themselves to be violating the code then > what will fesco or the board or whomever do? > > Delete the user's account? Socially ostracize them? What? > > Codes of Conduct are silly unless there is some enforcement and enforcing > behavior in a volunteer organization is extremely hard. I've only been using Fedora for about a week now, previously I used Debian for the past 10 years. Debian has various processes for dealing with difficult people. If anyone (including developers) continually is difficult on a mailing list then they are banned from the list. If a developer behaves badly enough, a motion can be presented for a call to vote for expulsion. I recall this happening a couple of times over the years. I'm not a big fan of Ubuntu, but I do think that they are on to something with a code of conduct that can help to keep things civil. Just my 2p Dan -- "The plural of anecdote is not data." --Roger Brinner -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
