On Friday 27 February 2009 05:51:24 pm Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 17:33 -0800, Conrad Meyer wrote: > > Other distributions don't treat their development branch as as much of a > > bleeding edge testing ground. As Jesse pointed out, if we tried to make > > rawhide usable, we'd end up creating a 'Rawerhide' that serves the same > > purpose as rawhide today. So how about you just pretend F-10 is 'less-raw > > hide' and work with that? I bet most Fedora devs do. > > Because it has a knock-on effect on quality. This is the ultimate point > here. > > If everyone just figures, hey, it's Rawhide, what the hell, we end up > with a broken Rawhide. Then when we hit alpha stage we're scrambling > just to fix Rawhide and make it vaguely work. We're playing catch-up > throughout the entire pre-release cycle, fixing stuff that could have > been caught much earlier if more people were actually using the code. > > Look - lots of Fedora people are developers, yes? Do the X.org > developers run X.org 7.4, do you think? Do you run the last stable > release of any application you write, or do you use the latest code you > just pushed into git? In most cases, the answer is that you use the > latest code. Why? So you know when you *broke* something, and you can > fix it. You wouldn't run an app by writing the code, throwing it at a > compiler, seeing that the build worked and throwing it into git, then > never running it but just running the last stable release, and hoping > the code you just threw at the development branch worked. At least, I'd > really *hope* you don't. > > Why should the distro be any different? Why do you think it's a good > idea to develop something without using it? You go ahead and run Rawhide, then. You can be our early warning system. I run Rawhide versions of my own packages when I need them, sure -- but I when I don't need the rawhide version of something, I don't run it. You can promote rawhide usage all you like, but the best you'll get is a "developers *should* use rawhide" -- and developers will continue doing whatever they like, just as they did before you tried to promote running rawhide. Please don't hijack threads like this in the future. (Also: please excuse any typing errors in my emails lately, I'm on a laptop temporarily and its right shift key is broken.) Regards, -- Conrad Meyer <konrad@xxxxxxxxxx> -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
